Henry: 0:00

when children are growing up, what they see us do as parents together is more healthy emotionally and Spiritually than what we try to do with them personally, one on one or one on two when they watch us go and grow through an argument. what we say to ourselves first on a daily basis. I am beloved. I am called by him. I am loved by him. Seeds for your marriage.

Trisha: 0:31

Welcome to Seeds for Your Marriage. I'm Trisha Walker and I have here with me Henry Calcagno and he is a powerhouse. God's kingdom and I'm so excited to have him here. I'm especially excited for all those men who are listening. I believe that he has. testimony that really speaks to men and helps them to learn from his story. He is a mighty man of God lives here in the Bay area. My, husband and I met him through church, but actually I first got to really know him. In the hair salon because he does hair, he calls himself a hairapist and that's how we started connecting and getting to know one another.

Henry: 1:13

Yeah. It's now become an official title. You're a hairapist

Trisha: 1:16

Yeah, absolutely. Welcome to our podcast. I want to, get right into it. Your story really impacted me because in some ways I think I can relate to childhood stuff that, has happened and we've learned how to move through that, heal from it and help others through our stories.

Henry: 1:34

He called me by a new name. He gave me a new start, a new heart. I'm so grateful of what he's done. And I'm grateful every day. We need to in the midst of chaos, we need to be thankful and grateful. Just cut through all the lies that start to come and just be grateful and thankful for everything you have.

Trisha: 1:52

Yeah.

Henry: 1:53

Sometimes when I'm counseling people, I say, Make a list when they're dealing with a partner that make a list of everything your partner does right and everything that are beautiful about and everything that's beautiful about them, right? Make a list and be generous, write it, make it long and then read it to yourself. You want to talk about cutting through lies that are built into your partner? Yeah, built into you. That's just one just practical application that sometimes I give people to work on.

Trisha: 2:23

Yeah. Yeah. Gratefulness is very powerful in unlocking so much, even in ourselves. And if we feel like we're constantly coming up and against a wall with the Lord, just a little shift of, Being grateful to him, no matter what.

Henry: 2:44

Yeah, and stop blaming.

Trisha: 2:45

And stop blaming. It can really transform this cycle that you might be on, or this roadblock that you're on, or whatever it is. Yeah.

Henry: 2:53

It breaks through the negative. It's so easy for us to get negative. All it takes is one person cutting us off in traffic and we're like, ah, yeah, it's true. It just takes one moment and we're, you ever find yourself driving along and you're fine, and then something happens and then all of a sudden, oh, it's so easy for us to just go. And flip that switch and think poorly of someone who might be very stressed and unhappy driving in front of you. I think, I try to shift and say, Oh, I'm praying for that person. Changes me.

Trisha: 3:22

Yeah.

Henry: 3:22

When you pray for someone else, it changes me. You ever do that? Yeah, absolutely.

Trisha: 3:27

Yeah. There again, even within yourself, your mindsets, your thoughts, it's a choice. It's a choice to think differently and when you're choosing, okay, I'm going to bless them instead of cursing them right now. Yeah. It's that choice in your thought process is transforming something in your soul.

Henry: 3:47

It even helps your body.

Trisha: 3:48

It does. Yeah. It lowers your blood pressure.

Henry: 3:50

Yeah. You get the positive endorphin type of things happening. You let that truck in that was like cutting you up. It's

Trisha: 4:01

Come in.

Henry: 4:01

Makes you feel good.

Trisha: 4:02

Yeah. So getting back to, you mentioned your story with Teresa. Your wife and God bless her soul in heaven.

Henry: 4:12

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Trisha: 4:12

Yeah. Yeah. But I know you've, I never got a chance to meet her, but you mentioned her several times. The mother of your son.

Henry: 4:21

Yes. We got to raise one young man who's now 29, Ben, and he's turned out to be quite a young man because all he knew was. Here's the thing. This is what I, this may not be all truth, but to me, it's really truth. A lot of truth in this statement. I decided years ago that I was going to pay more attention to my relationship with Therese and my wife and build something there. Precious and honorable, keep the covenant, keep the faithfulness, even though there was some, whoo, some rocky road, but not get off the road different type of thing, just rocky places. And I constantly went back to building us into this relationship because I. Learned probably by the Holy Spirit, I learned that when children are growing up, what they see us do as parents together is more healthy emotionally and Spiritually than what we try to do with them personally, one on one or one on two when they watch us go and grow through an argument. We had an argument. I always said to her, when we're done with this, when we get through this, I want him to see us. Yeah. And hold each other and say sorry. And he saw all of that grow into this flower called our marriage.

Trisha: 5:54

Yeah.

Henry: 5:54

And he is a very healthy young man, mostly Spiritually and otherwise. Even physically. Yeah. Yeah, I could brag about Ben, but, he's doing awesome, but I have my experience in all the relationships I've listened to, and I've listened to a lot of relationship things in a salon, been in the salon business for 48 years, doing hair, listening to people come in both sides. Hearing all the stories and hearing all the highs and lows and divorces and marriages and highs everything Yeah, listening to all of that The one constant was when the marriage relationship is worked on even if you're not perfect, but you work on it Yeah, your children or child will see that not even know they're seeing that but they will Highly, probably model that more than anything else. Do you agree with that? Or am I just, yeah,

Trisha: 6:49

I do. Children absorb so much more than we realize from a very young age, they really. Really absorb a lot and they listen, they're very intuitive. I don't think sometimes we give them enough credit. And ultimately when children are adults are going to make their own decisions, the Lord does say, train the child in the way they should go and they will not depart from it. So we have to believe that if they've taken a path where maybe it's not the healthy path for them or the path that the Lord is Ordained for them to be on that one day they will come back to the path that he's meant for them. I do believe that in the home, we, there's so much that they absorb and learn without us even having to say it.

Henry: 7:36

Oh, absolutely.

Trisha: 7:37

Yeah.

Henry: 7:37

The old saying that doesn't work is, don't do as I do as I say, it should be it's the opposite. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. They're not going to, you can tell them what to do, but they're going to end up doing not all the time, but they're going to maybe end up doing what you did.

Trisha: 7:53

Exactly. Yeah. It's so true.

Henry: 7:55

It's all in your real life action. Also, I've learned about teenagers who have worked with teenagers for many years is teenagers have a highly sensitive hormonal thing going on where they're highly sensitive and they pick up the real all the, what teenagers really want. They want the real. adult thing, even if it's ugly, they'd rather have the real ugly than the fake smile and the fake person because they can feel it. They can sense that, that person. Whenever I would make an error around the teenager, I always, I'm sorry I didn't do that right. Whatever that

Trisha: 8:35

was. And

Henry: 8:36

I always like real with, with my son, any teenager, just because they're just at that sensitive. In their life where what really counts is they just want somebody to just be authentic with them. Exactly. Especially the adults around them.. And so they treasure that Yeah. So that's something I've learned about young people.

Trisha: 8:57

Yeah. Especially young people today. The newer generation, they really are looking for. The authentic that someone who not only says it, but who does it.

Henry: 9:07

Yes. Yes. Follow through please follow through.

Trisha: 9:11

Yeah. Yeah.

Henry: 9:14

It just apply, humble yourself before you're young adult or you're a young person. Humble yourself. Say I'm in an air, my, my bad, whatever that is, they get that. They, that he, my dad did that a couple of times with us. And I remember that feeling I had as a kid. Oh, my gosh, this feels so good to hear my dad apologize to me. I, it's so rare around that family unit,

Trisha: 9:42

yeah, they get to learn that.

Henry: 9:44

Yeah,

Trisha: 9:44

they learn from that. It's very powerful. Yeah. But 1 thing that Thomas. And I talk about is, we both bring, you talk about things that children absorb and then they bring into their adult life, when Thomas was young and his parents were good, they were good parents, but when they would argue or get into a discussion, they would go into the bedroom. Behind closed doors. He never even got to see them interact through arguments or disagreements or whatever. In early in our marriage, we'd get into a disagreement and he didn't know what to do. And I was this fiery one, full of anger and rage, and so I was, coming at him and he didn't know how to respond to that, so he just left. He would take off and go for a drive and he would just leave and he would try to avoid instead of really learning how to work through it. And so we both had things we had to learn. But yeah, I don't always say I don't believe that parents should. Always have conversations in front of your children. Sometimes there's some conversations that you just need that you may have on your own, but still just for them to learn what does it look like for someone to have an agreement, a disagreement, and then how to work through that and how do they come on the other side of that?

Henry: 10:59

It's the process in which we get an opportunity to transform us out of our uglies.

Trisha: 11:08

Yeah.

Henry: 11:09

It doesn't happen that easily without God. With God, it gives us, we've got a fighting chance to walk through that process. Also the power of just, you mentioned it earlier, the power of having a small group or even one other person who's. What we call a sage in your life, whether it's woman to woman or man to man, they have that wise person could be a relative, could be a father, could be a grandfather. They have that type of person walk through with you, the struggles that you're having with your wife or child or somebody in your life, or even struggle financially, having that in this country, we have access to anything we need, but we don't use it. We could call up on a radio station and have someone pray for us, whether it's K-love or Air One. They'll answer the phone and they will pray with you. There's no excuse, really, to not have other people bearing the burden with you. Because alone with God is not enough. It's awesome, it's a good start, but we need that. And that's what I do with the men's group, what I do with my ministry. is. Please don't do this alone when anybody comes with a battle, whether they're Christian or not, because in my salon, I get all kinds of people I see. Don't do this. Don't do it. Get if it's a woman, get a good, strong woman in your life to talk to. I've watched people who do that, who follow that way, and they have overcome so much with the help of others embracing them, humble yourself, go to a 12 step, go to whatever people are have. so much. Look for someone who went through the same thing you went through, but they've overcome it. Look for that person. Look for that author. Read their book.

Trisha: 13:12

Yeah.

Henry: 13:14

It is so helpful for overcoming the inner struggles that we all have at any level. Look for that person. Look for those people.

Trisha: 13:25

Yeah,

Henry: 13:25

would you agree?

Trisha: 13:26

Absolutely. 100%. So getting back to Teresa the story, I know we got on a tangent about, our children and raising children and all that, which is awesome. But just. You walked through some time with her where she had cancer and she ultimately passed away. So can you share a little bit about just that journey and what did that look like and how were you able to mourn when she, had passed? What did your mourning look like?

Henry: 13:56

Okay, good question. There's two questions in there that I want to address. One, I just want to add a story that kind of gives you a snippet of what we went through together. So first of all, anyone who's ever dealt with cancer in their life or partner with cancer or a parent with cancer, most of us are not experienced at dealing with it. We're not experienced at. So what I did was I went and got into a support group of people who have partners. Or spouses with cancer. My wife, Teresa, didn't want to do any kind of talk group or support group or anything. I let her go because I learned how to let her be her and let her do her own journey. Yeah. Emotionally, Spiritually, especially. So I just took care of me so I would be a better participant in the battle. Number two. I learned something about her. Okay. So before cancer, before we're in this battle, my wife, Teresa she basically didn't share anything deep. She just wasn't a sharer. And I let that go too and let her be her, which is very powerful in a relationship. Let your partner be where they're at. So I learned to let go of that, even though I desired to have that conviction, but When we're in the middle of this cancer battle and she would be, okay, she will on one of her surgeries, she had to have this drainage bag replaced and bandages replaced on her body. It was very technical nursey thing to do

Trisha: 15:38

almost

Henry: 15:39

doctor level. The one today a nurse from the hospital would come and change your bandages because it's very, but I watched the process and I figured out how to do it myself. 1 day, Teresa says, honey, can you. Do that. I go, yeah, I got it down. So I started doing it for her. And then we said, we don't need you to come into the nurse person to come in.

Trisha: 16:05

Yeah.

Henry: 16:06

And I started doing it when I was changing her bandages and we were in that very vulnerable spot. She started about her feelings about anything. It was a gateway. It was a doorway to her feelings and the depth of her life. And out of that simple. We opened up to each other of the things that meant the most to us in our life. And I learned so much more about her and she learned about me and it started. So when you're in a battle like that, just look for the beautiful little nuggets that you didn't expect out of doing something as small as that. I always wanted to serve my marriage partner, so that's what I was doing. And that's just a snippet of that. Journey.

Trisha: 17:06

That's so good. And

Henry: 17:08

then the last part was what?

Trisha: 17:10

Just about mourning, like when she had passed, how are you able to mourn and how are you able to even help your son through that process or that season?

Henry: 17:19

So very awesome question. First of all, I went back to counseling with my son and did a Christian counselor to focus on grief counseling. And after a session or 2, I look at my son and I go, Ben, is this working for you? He's okay. Then I heard there was a program through this hospice organization that we were connected to and in Teresa's last days. They have a bereavement program. So I called them up and they said, yeah, come in. There's a group. We're not counselors, official counselors, but we help people grieve. I learned about grief in general, about how people grieve differently. They just taught us what they learned. And I learned that I'm a kind of like a, Explosive fountain of everything comes out and then I'm done. Then my son is the opposite. He did not shed a tear for months after Teresa passed away. And I was always worried about him. Are you grieving? Are you grieving? Are you grieving? I let it let that go. He's a slow griever and he does it differently than me way differently. Over the process of a few years, he is grieved over Teresa, his mom's going on. Another part of the grief process is, again, God's promise. The moment I met him, he promised me he would never leave me or forsake me. Nor would he let me be alone. And part of grief is feeling like you're all alone, especially if you are physically alone. And you're used to a partner of 20 years marriage being next to you. Yeah. Like your other half. It's like losing a leg. Yeah. It feels like that. So in that process, praise God, he was there in ways I didn't even imagine. I literally would feel angels comforting me. As I went to bed for that first week in my, upstairs room upstairs with no, no one there. And I was comforted by the comforter. So I understand that the comforter is real and that he was there for me and he always will be and he always has been. So that's part of that process that helped me go through that.

Trisha: 19:44

That's really good. Thank you for sharing. That's awesome. Wow. And now you have a wife, Casey lovely woman.

Henry: 19:53

That's another love story. I actually wasn't I wasn't looking for a, when I met her, I wasn't looking for a date, I wasn't looking for even a anything, I was happy with me and Ben. He was 13 years old at the time going home and hanging out being dudes, I was really happy. I was not on any category, single, divorced, married, no, no category, widowed, no category like that, I was not even, and I'm teaching, when you're doing God's will, I'm teaching it at Spiritual growth class at church. Casey was in that class. And I wasn't even looking at her or looking at any, but she walks up to me after the course was over. She starts talking to me and then she starts crying on my shoulder about what she was going through. So I'm holding her like church hold and church hug and being very, and she's crying and I'm like, Oh my gosh, there's that hairapist part of me that people do that a lot with me, which is fine. But I felt awkward, because I'm holding this woman. And so I've out of my mouth comes these words. Do you want to get more like just a cup of coffee and talk this out? She goes, okay, so we go to Starbucks, sit down, having a cup of coffee. I'm not thinking it's a date or anything. I'm not in that, Mode at all. Yeah, and we're having this coffee and we talked about everything I think and three and a half hours later I'm like, wow, it's four o'clock in the afternoon Okay, I gotta go home. My son's home or somebody's home and she's oh, it's four o'clock and we had talked But we just got started. So I said what we've got to continue this conversation So my love affair started with a conversation that I had no idea. I would get blindsided by love. And I literally went to my pastor and I said, Something's happening here and something's different here. I'm here. I'm like no dating, nobody. No. And here's Ooh, like seeing her text me on the phone was like, that's her. Yeah. And so I said, Lord, I don't know. What are these, what's going on here? And he confirmed that I was going to focus on her and build. A friendship of just being together and talking, just talking. We just literally held hands and talk for months. That's all we did held hands and talk, and it was beautiful. And I love the way that God has a man court, a lady and treat her like a queen and not touch her in inappropriate ways before. We were like our first real embrace in intimacy was after we went to the altar and it was like unbelievable. I can't describe the joy that we still have from that moment that we touched each other in his way, intimately in the way that God would do it for us to bless us to covenant us

Trisha: 23:12

to

Henry: 23:13

bind us together. Doing it his way was so much. More than I had experienced in the past, and so I recommend try to, if you're in that mode in your life, if you're, especially the men, oh, man, treat her like a lady all the way, be very gentle, nonphysical, just learn about her. Because that's the most important thing that's like a foundation and then, of course, having the foundation of the rock of Christ, working in you to grow both you together is vital. It's the thing that has Casey and I married 15 years now. It is the rock that we stand on together. Even in conflict, we are learning how to walk through these, even though they're small, not large conflict, walking through the cup with patience. with understanding with humbleness. She's humble. I humble. We're both humble when we struggle and some of our struggles have been even Spiritual differences of how we approach things. But I just like to honor her

Trisha: 24:20

in the way

Henry: 24:21

that she approaches things

Trisha: 24:22

and

Henry: 24:23

let her be the beautiful creature that she was created to be and not getting the way I'm responsible for Henry walking my path with God. And she's responsible for her,

Trisha: 24:36

right? Absolutely.

Henry: 24:37

So

Trisha: 24:38

that's so good. I love it. I love that story. And how many years was it from when Teresa passed to when you and Casey started dating

Henry: 24:47

a year later

Trisha: 24:48

a year. I

Henry: 24:49

was. Thinking, man, I want to be like not dating for two, three years, but that got interrupted,

Trisha: 24:57

God had a different plan. I love it when he has, his plan and then, yeah, it's awesome. And another thing that I'm hearing is. the path that you and Casey decided to take about reserving the time to waiting until marriage become, to become really intimate because I believe there's something in that when you are able to grow your relationship and nourish your relationship and you're just in conversation, because I think, a woman, she's like a flower that just opens up slowly, and if you become too physical or too intimate too fast. It's almost like part of that gets thwarted and cut off and you might not ever access that level of intimacy on an emotional level or on a conversational level.

Henry: 25:52

Yeah, it, in my experience, it becomes about that, the physical, And you lessen the discovery part of discovering her beauty, her highs or lows, her shortcomings and her treasure. Yeah. And you end up getting sidetracked with the physical. It gets, once that gets going, it's about that a lot. It

Trisha: 26:17

is. And you

Henry: 26:18

lose the essence. how important it is to have that partnerships and friendship built first. God has, done it perfectly for us and we're not listening. A lot of us, and I didn't listen in my earlier years either. I didn't listen to Holy Spirit. Am I doing this right? I wasn't listening. I think it's imperative that when we have somebody, one thing I remember is She's so valuable to me. I am going to definitely make sure there's self control over here. Self control because I was weak at that, but now I am stronger. And that's really important for us guys. Yeah. Self control. You don't need to go into any details. Just wow. It's so important. Also she was dealing with past where unfaithfulness was The deciding factor.

Trisha: 27:22

Yeah.

Henry: 27:23

In a broken marriage, so I was very aware of that.

Trisha: 27:27

Yeah.

Henry: 27:28

And the wonderful thing that surprised me was she trusted me and I believe she trusted me because my hands were on my sides or in her hand. My hands were not wandering. My, my priority was.

Trisha: 27:45

Yeah,

Henry: 27:46

learning about this beautiful creature,

Trisha: 27:48

right? Yeah, you are safe for her.

Henry: 27:50

Yes, I hope I still am.

Trisha: 27:54

Yeah, absolutely Yeah And so in that when you talk about men learning to be to have self control, what does that look like? How do you learn that with Christ?

Henry: 28:06

How do you learn?

Trisha: 28:08

Yeah, we talked about it being the fruit of the Spirit and you call that out,

Henry: 28:12

it's the walk. It's always the walk. Are you going to church and hearing God messages and then going home and not much changes? Yeah, or are you walking with the Holy Spirit being guided by him, growing in him, grafting yourself into the vine that nurtures your soul, your spirit and your body. Because it happens in here and here. First, before it happens in the body, you've got to have your self lined up, I chose to do what I didn't do with Casey and what I did way before I met her. I already said to God, if and when I marry again, which I like to be married and there's a good chance I would be married. I know what I'm going to do. I know what I'm not going to

Trisha: 29:11

do.

Henry: 29:13

And so that really helps. If a man is about to go on a date, decide how are you going to treat her, whether you like her or

Trisha: 29:22

not.

Henry: 29:23

All right. Treat her a certain way.

Trisha: 29:27

And

Henry: 29:27

then, The next day, how are you going to treat her? Just do one day at a time. If you have

Trisha: 29:32

to,

Henry: 29:32

It's a choice.

Trisha: 29:33

It's a choice again, going back to choices. Yeah. And in our intentions, what is our pure intention getting to under, sometimes we don't even know what our pure intention is, but understanding that, like you said, walking with the Holy Spirit and trying to get, what is my intention here?

Henry: 29:51

A lot of women's That men have stem from a base insecurity that says they're not man enough, they're not enough. And when a man feels like he's not enough, like he doesn't have what it takes, he responds to a surface level sexuality and focus. It's not the right focus. It's a. thwarted focus on what a woman wants and how to share your life with a woman. So that wound, if it's not addressed, if you don't go through the process of walking that out through counsel, other men who've struggled in those areas, most of us guy will default. There's books called every man's battle on that. My suggestion for any men listening is go after books like Wild at Heart and John Eldredge. Or Danny Silk's new book, the seven habits of of slaying your dragon about getting in with brotherhood, getting in with other men and getting that support. We all need it. We all need it. All human beings need that. I know I'm repeating myself. But it's such an important part of my life. I need the input

Trisha: 31:09

and the

Henry: 31:09

exchange.

Trisha: 31:10

Yeah.

Henry: 31:10

Yeah.

Trisha: 31:11

If you can speak to the people, that are watching, that are listening, any men that are out there that have this false sense of their manhood, what can you speak to that?

Henry: 31:22

Yeah. The one thing there's many things I've learned about my manhood. Because mine, mine was destroyed, almost, and distorted, okay? Some of the most important things come from, do you know who you are? Do you know who you are? It is an identity crisis. It's not a, it's not a sexual crisis. It's an identity crisis. So some of the most important work that we do in our SOZO work, we do and other types of modalities is we go after who we are. When you were raised, you were taught mainly from your parents. Who you really are, what they said to you, what they said about you. For example, my mom would constantly tell me that I didn't do it well enough, didn't do it good enough. So I always had this lie built into me that I'm not good enough. I'm not worthy enough. So that, that was brought right into my adult life. So any men listening out there think about going after the truth about who you are. There's many books about the truth of who you are. Just go after those books, go after that material, and read about it in the Scriptures. Who does God say I am? God has always called me His ambassador. He's called me, He's named me Henry the Great. Even though I'm not, even though I'm not greater than anyone else. He thinks of me as Henry the great, not just Henry. So I have a new identity that's built and rebuilt all the time, constantly from the author of our faith, Jesus Christ. And so that's what I stand on. That's what I believe in. That's what I believe about myself. And it really helps me walk through the battle that a lot of guys face. With their identity and this insecure mechanism called Do I have what it takes? The do I have the right stuff? Am I all right? So

Trisha: 33:21

that's really good. Yeah.

Henry: 33:22

If God were to answer you you'd be shocked if you heard from God right now and he would tell you he loves you. He loves you as you are. He's forgiving you. He will forgive you again. He will tell you that you are his son, that you are his king. We're going through a book called Becoming a King. There's just, there's all kinds of materials out there. And in the scriptures that tell us that we're more than conquerors, that we have over, we're overcomers. That's who we are. We are his soldiers, we are in the front line of his army, we are his battlemen, we are chosen. If we are willing to accept that. And believe it and read it and absorb it and make it a part of our identity. Wow. That's what we run on. That's the fuel we run on.

Trisha: 34:12

Absolutely. You're his son.

Henry: 34:14

Oh yeah.

Trisha: 34:15

I'm his daughter.

Henry: 34:16

Oh yeah.

Trisha: 34:17

Yeah. And we are co

Henry: 34:19

heirs with Christ. We're co heirs with Christ.

Trisha: 34:22

We have his inheritance.

Henry: 34:25

It's already here. Yeah.

Trisha: 34:26

Yeah. All right. Thank you so much. That's awesome. So how can people learn about you? Let's say they're in the Walnut Creek, California and they want to get their hair done.

Henry: 34:36

Oh the hair salon?

Trisha: 34:37

Yeah. How can people find out about you about your hair

Henry: 34:41

salon? If you want to get ahold of me, H T C A L C A G N O at yahoo. com is a great way to just email me if you have a question you want to connect, and find out what we do. Our team. Our team FreedomCenterINTL.Com is a great way to, to start process walking through everything we're walking through. It's another tool that's easy to get to affordable. If you want to make a donation and just gives you access to your identity and empowerment in your life. Cause we all need it. We all need it.

Trisha: 35:18

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. This has been awesome.

Henry: 35:21

You're very welcome. All

Trisha: 35:23

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