Dan Misek: 0:00

what gets our focus will get our mindset, and will get our emotions, it gets all of it.. Instead focus on the solution, and seeing it already done

Rebecca Misek: 0:13

a trigger is an opportunity to heal. So I'm like, I'm triggered. Come on. I'm about to get healed, right? Seeds for your marriage.

Trisha: 0:24

Welcome to Seeds for Your Marriage. We're Trisha and Thomas Walker, and we have with us here, Rebecca and Dan Misek. And I am so excited to have them. They are fellow ordained ministers. Rebecca is a prophetic strategist, also the founder of Arrows Edge Coaching. And Dan is an amazing worship leader and chemist.

Thomas: 0:46

Welcome. When Trisha was sharing about having you on the podcast, I got so excited Can you just talk about triggers oh, yeah. What does that mean?

Rebecca Misek: 0:54

Triggers are wounds in our heart that come up and you can tell when you have a trigger by you're going to have feelings, you're going to have emotions, you'll feel it in your body. A lot of times it's setting off that, that alarm system, the amygdala and the brain, the fight, flight, flee kind of stuff. You can, you feel it rising up and you're almost feeling tempted to let that guide your actions. That's usually what a trigger looks like. Some of them are minor and some of them are big. They can end up being panic attacks. They can end up being trauma responses, but a trigger is usually connected to a wound you had when you're younger and you got some sort of label a really good example is you know being a child you get called up to The board and you do the math problem wrong. I totally did the math problems wrong and you go away from that and all the kids laugh at you because you got the math problem wrong on the board And in that moment you go my God, I'm so stupid and now I've just given myself a wound That for the rest of my life until that is dealt with any time first of all, I'm always trying to prove I'm not stupid people go and I'll get five master's degrees and I'll read I'll have a library of books and I'll just And they overcompensate for that entire thing to so that everybody knows that I am not stupid But the conversely what happens in a trigger is that I'll start reacting and be reactive when something somebody does pushes on that wound. That's like I'm feeling stupid in that moment. So then it just you can feel it's coming roaring up inside of you. And it's been such a fun kind of adventure for me, is, going through abusive situations in the past, and really hard traumas. I had some things were definitely trauma triggered, and I had to learn this way. He goes, I don't even know when you're angry, I don't really understand. Because what I've learned to do is say, Oh, wow, I'm feeling triggered and then I start to talk about and I can count on my husband or one of the coaches that I work with I'll say hey, we'll just go to each other and say hey I'm feeling really triggered. This is really bothering me. And then we actually look for why is this bothering me? Oh that made me feel stupid And when I'm that brings back that whole load of stuff from ABC and D that happens And then I can unpack all of that and be released from the trauma.

Thomas: 3:17

I love, oh my gosh, You said I'm feeling triggered. There's a big difference between saying I'm feeling triggered versus you triggered me.

Rebecca Misek: 3:26

Come on, yes.

Thomas: 3:27

Because if you say you triggered me, you're giving your power away. To somebody else. Yes. But I triggered, I got triggered is owning it and saying, okay, let's explore that. Let's get in there and figure out what's going on inside of me that caused me to respond that way. Yeah. Big, huge. That's a good word right there.

Dan Misek: 3:45

And that is another doorway to shame. You did this thing is a shame blank, right? Does that, so The part of dealing with these triggers, these can rise up really big, really fast. I, and I've battled this a lot in my life, like a trigger will come on really fast and all of a sudden it'll, a lot of times it'll be anger with me. Personally, I've got to choose what to do with that. Part of that is that I'm actually angry with myself because why am I feeling this way? And I realize that I'm causing pain or pain is hitting me in such a way and I don't know what to do about it. This is really the stuff to bring into the light. Because Rebecca, you brought up something earlier that I think is a really big point to go after is it, are we just focusing on how to fix this thing in terms of a behavior or what is the root that's really behind it? Because, see, with these triggers. We can go after behavior all day long, we might get some mixed results, but as soon as it comes back in a different form, you haven't actually addressed it. This has been part of my journey as well because I'm working really hard. And then when the next Mistake happens, I'm like, honey, you don't understand how hard I've been working on this. And then it's I feel I haven't gotten anywhere that's because it, it is typically on the side of behavior and she'll continually say honey it's your heart. And if you can change your heart instead of it being about the behavior to go after that very point is that I've what I have personally learned about this. is the pain that I'm feeling in that moment. The pain that, that is coming on so strong, it's making me retreat into myself and make that feeling really big, instead of empathizing with what she's bringing to the table. So in order for me to shift from my head to my heart, It requires me to have that empathy, to turn that empathy on, to choose to turn that empathy on, right in the middle of the pain. That I can be comfortable sitting in the pain while this thing is being dealt with. Now, in the past, pain was not something I would avoid it at all costs. And it was like almost part of my upbringing. I feel like my mom did this thing where she would avoid pain and I would watch that. And I would model that, okay. Avoid pain at all costs. But the fact is I've joined a men's group and in this men's group, We go right after that and I hear testimony after testimony. I'm no longer doing this thing because I was comfortable sitting in the pain while it was being worked out. And that is a level of self control, that's a level of developing who you are in character. Who are you when no one is around? And that is where the heart begins to shift, where you're really dealing with stuff. So these triggers are a very big deal, and there is a solution for them. And again, it's the same solution. It's bring the stuff into the light, talk about it, and have empathy. That part of empathy was something I did not have in my previous marriage. And that was an issue and that needed to be resolved in me because I was retreating in shame and not bringing it out there so that it could be dealt with. Yeah. So these are the things that I believe the Lord has solutions for us. And specifically for men, I can speak that when you watch your wife be hurt and you're in that moment of I can't believe I just did that. That you care and you want to do some, but you just don't know what that next step is. Let me tell you just having empathy to put yourself in her shoes. How is she experiencing me right now? That is what really matters more so than the problem itself. It is to put myself and actually think how is she experiencing me right now? It is such a powerful transformation in our progress as a couple to do that. Now she empathizes well with my position. And often I'll take over a conversation. So she is very aware on how I feel. The fact is I don't need that validation as much as I need to listen to what her heart is saying and men that. That takes a little bit of a dial to adjust at times to listen to what your wife is feeling, how she's experiencing you, and if you learn that, that is a skill.

Thomas: 8:37

And that's a really big deal because we often see couples where we've been together so long, and I know what you're gonna say. I know what you're going to, I know how you're going to respond. I already know. So then we circumvent the conversation altogether. And to your point, I think I'm protecting our relationship, but I'm actually doing more harm because it's hidden. And I haven't really found many things that are good that grow in the dark, right? So we got to bring it to the light. And so I think that's so hugely important. And then, the fact that you talked about listening. Trisha and I talk a lot about, are you listening or are you waiting to speak? Or are you listening to understand? And then there's a huge difference. And usually like our triggers because there's so much going on to suspend our own thoughts, to really hear the heart of our partner. It takes practice. It's not like this immediate thing that we're all born with, because when we come out of the womb, it's like, me, it's all about me, it's all about me, and now we got to learn this about we, and we've got to deal with things that have been in our past, and the way we all bring tools and baggage into our relationships, and we've got to work through those things, because we're two people, now we're one, but we're still individually powerful people, and now we've got to figure out how to do this dance together it's just so beautiful to hear you talking about how you do that, And the way you model that with the couples that you work with and individuals as well the listening piece, I want to enforce that because oftentimes we're not listening. True listening, let's be real, right? Can you play back exactly what I said? Or are you going to play back what you thought you heard me saying? And those stories often don't line up unless you're really engaged and truly listening to what your partner has to say.

Dan Misek: 10:36

Oh, it's so much more than the words. It's the meaning behind the words and it's the heart behind it. Yeah. That really is to that empathy piece. Rebecca, I feel you really have something to speak on that.

Rebecca Misek: 10:48

There's a couple of things about listening and a couple of things about listening when triggered, because here's the thing, be totally transformed by the renewing of your mind. Let's take a different mindset about triggers. When I get a trigger, I celebrate. Here's why. A trigger is an opportunity to heal. So I'm like, I'm triggered. Come on. I'm about to get healed, right? It's awesome. And so it's to consider the direction of where you're, and that immediately is I'm looking to for Holy Spirit to heal me. In the midst of what I'm feeling. And so I'm able to say, wow, this feels really big. It feels really heavy and I need some help. But see, you've got these levels of listening. You were talking about the first level of listening, which is I'm listening for my response and I'm making up the conversation in my head while the person's talking. But then you go just a little bit deeper and you're like, I'm listening to the context of the sentence. I'm listening to what they're actually saying and then you can go even deeper as what's the meaning and what are they Communicating through their body language because body language is like a huge part. So much. Oh my goodness A body language is a huge part of conversation. If we leave that out, we're missing a lot of the meaning So you're getting what's said between the words what said through the body language? But if you really want to go deep guys is to go to that level of listening And then at the same time, what is Holy Spirit saying in the middle of that thing? My direction is totally focused on what the speaker is saying whoever I'm talking to I've The way i've learned that this was a real big learning lesson for me Which is why he likes to hand that one over to me because when I first stepped into coach training I'd gotten into a training that I asked to be in because I really felt compelled to be there and that day They're talking about the levels of listening. I'm like, wow, I am a terrible listener. That was, I thoroughly was disgusted with myself in that moment. I'm like, I am level one all the way and I decided that moment to be totally transformed by renewing my mind. I'm in and now I'm actually known for my ability. To be able to listen at a very deep level and grab the things that even the person who's talking isn't aware of.

Thomas: 13:03

Yeah, so there's a seed right there. I'm just gonna make it very clear. Not going through life or your marriage without inviting Holy Spirit into every realm and every aspect of your relationship. It's so big, because we do have the power to have our own thoughts. And then there's the enemy's thoughts, and then there's the Holy Spirit, and what Father has to say. And our job is to figure out which one is coming at a time. And the more and more we tune into Holy Spirit, the more we're aligned with what He's saying. Ongoing.

Trisha: 13:32

You can do that even at work, right? Even in a secular environment, you can, in a conversation, just invite Holy Spirit. Yeah, absolutely. And ask for what He's saying, and be able to really transform how the conversation goes. Yes.

Thomas: 13:45

Yeah, really quick story on body language. I missed that one early on in our marriage. One day I asked her to go golf and I was like, honey, I want to go golfing. And she goes, fine.

Trisha: 13:57

Oh no. So he's crossing his arms for those who are listening.

Thomas: 14:00

Yeah. I'm crossing my arms. And I was like, she said I could go golf. And I got out to the golf course and all of a sudden, text, call, text, call, when are you going to be? I'm on the first hole. When are you going to be home? So she really wasn't okay. And I didn't pick up the body language that set out. So I actually, we had a talk conversation about that. I said, honey, I just need you to tell me like golfing is not that big of a deal. If you don't really want me to go, just tell me because I'll get better at body language, but really I just need you to tell me what you're thinking.

Rebecca Misek: 14:37

Assertive communication is huge. It's the only form of communication that is not fear based. And so to be able to say. I would prefer you not go golfing is so much better than fine. And then internally I'm boiling and he's out having fun. And I'm now annoyed that he's out having fun while I'm boiling. I'm so with you on that one.

Trisha: 15:01

Yeah. And the other thing I love that you're talking about is see, the triggers are often they're linked to some sort of previous experience, right? So oftentimes in a conversation, if we feel ourselves getting triggered, Even though we could be staying silent and trying to really listen to the person, we could still have a framework in our mind about what the situation even is, how it's defined, maybe their morals or their intentions behind what is going on. Cause we have this framework in our mind based on our previous experience. So we talk about popping a framework, being able to get beyond what happened in the past and be able to have a new framework about how we think about. Going forward. Yeah.

Thomas: 15:46

Yeah. It's big because, it can be, we talk about going around the mountain as well and like sooner or later you want to just get off the rollercoaster and but every time around the mountain doesn't have to be the same time as the last. And so if we let our history define our present or even what the future could be, we're robbing ourselves of creating a different future that we actually want to walk into, as opposed to the past that may be. We're still hurt and trying to run from or deal with it. I think that's a really good word is, we make mistakes we're human. Because we're the most intimate and the closest people, sometimes those mistakes are repeated, even when our intent isn't there. And like sometimes I would make a mistake and she would forgive me. I'd make it again, and all the other times that I did, it would come back up. And so even in our relationship if you forgive me, that it's gone. Like it's washed under the blood of Jesus. Now, if I go to a new moment and I make another mistake, we're going to deal with it there, but you're not going to bring back all the other times. And it's actually helped me get stronger in actually not wanting to go back.

Rebecca Misek: 16:57

And if you just cut off this one thing, this aspect of fear, or this aspect of shame, this aspect of guilt, condemnation, those things that are, they tie to our identity. And they actually affect so many different places. His shame was operating in his workplace, in his home, it's all over the place, right? So you deal with that root issue, and it gets cut off. But I could do better, yeah, I definitely could do better of being like, Hey I'm just seeing the root here. That could actually set you free from these eight other things that are manifesting in your life. And that's what I'm doing it for, doesn't make it any more pleasant or any,

Thomas: 17:37

But I think what you're distinguishing though is the how it's being brought up. There is a, Hey, I'm seeing something here. Can we talk about it? Versus there's a difference in saying you now did this eight times and so therefore and it's the accusatory, right? You. And it actually probably lessens one's ability to actually hear what the other person's saying. Because we actually go into a completely different listening mode whenever we're being told about ourselves. Because now I'm listening to decide if I agree with what you're saying.

Dan Misek: 18:06

Now if that conversation happens in the moment of a trigger is taking place, the listening has a whole new level of challenge. The fact is to know the heart of the one who's bringing the trigger. That is bringing the information to the table to help solve the root. When a challenge is coming up and you are doing this circling the mountain, right? And it's a similar topic and it's really painful because it hurt those other times and it hurts now. So the fact of staying in it. And I've had some of these conversations that will begin. At nine o'clock at night. Go into midnight one o'clock because it's that important to resolve it. But the fact is I'm just catching one of these points is that what she's bringing to the table is to help and to solve and she's in her position as a partner yet, because I'm still dealing with the trigger. I'm still in my head and it hasn't reached my heart yet. By about the third hour, it is shifted down and now we're getting to the real heart of the matter. But what if we could bypass that and begin some of that process earlier? To really understand and hear one another and now we're back to those listening skills. So that's the working out. I feel like we've really worked those muscles well and in our marriage and it's an interesting scenario because there, there are things that are unhealthy that come from previous relationships, Tim, but it's really more about how are you going to respond when you're going around that again? Those listening skills are really a big part of it. I feel that this conversation is actually one I'm taking to heart to see how to reframe and to see from another perspective, right in the middle of the pain of that moment. I can think of an instance that happened even just a few weeks ago or a couple of weeks ago that it was a simple suggestion, a simple comment or I had mishandled my time in a couple of areas and because I had mishandled my time she needed to pick up and do something that we were going to do together. So she had to carry the weight of doing the grocery shopping without me. And when she said that I will just have to do the grocery shopping alone, I received that as if that was something passive aggressive and it was not intended that way. She actually legitimately meant, Hey, I need to give you space to do those things that you said you would do. So therefore I will take this way and do it. Now this is really interesting though, because that caused me to trigger in that moment. Because I thought that was a passive aggressive moment. That was so

Rebecca Misek: 21:01

funny because he was like,

Dan Misek: 21:02

Oh my goodness.

Rebecca Misek: 21:03

He said, honey, where can we find in our schedule for me to do this thing? And I said, then I'll have to go get the groceries.

Dan Misek: 21:11

All of a sudden, all the emotions rose up.

Rebecca Misek: 21:15

And I was like, I was just trying to give you the time.

Dan Misek: 21:17

But it's really funny to look back and actually catch what had happened because when the moment where I actually got that was really a turning point for me to know that she is not previous relationships in that same way, I need to learn to respond to the one who's in front of me and read it. What she's really saying and again, we're back to those listening skills when you're in the middle of a difficult conversation Is to be able to really tune your ears and hear the heart of what's being said over the words And really apply that in a way that you're coming together as a team to solve the issues of life I did this for far too long thinking that I'm an achiever, and I'm gonna work really hard. I'm gonna bench press that 350 pounds. I'm gonna do that thing because it's my job as a man to do that, to carry that weight. And I've seen that modeled by other men around me. To do that, it is my job to carry that weight. And see, I hadn't seen it done in health. in a way of saying, this is an area of partnership. When there are too many things on the plate and I'm feeling overwhelmed, I need to actually bring those things to the light. And have a conversation, I'm feeling overwhelmed about this. What can we do? Where can we make some room on the schedule?

Trisha: 22:46

Yeah, I love that. I love what you're saying. That's so good. In difficult conversations, I think we talk about ensuring that the main intention is to remain connected. That your hearts remain connected and the goal is not necessarily to solve the issue or to figure out what's next. Maybe that will come, but the main goal is to remain connected and when you can remain connected and move forward in the conversation, you can start to collaborate together as a team as you guys are talking about and the solution will come.

Thomas: 23:16

Yeah, exactly. When we coach couples, we, there's a wheel that it's called the awareness wheel. Yeah. what did you see? What did you observe? What did it make you think? How did it make you think or believe? What assumptions did you make? What are your emotions tied to it? And by the way, we're terrible at expressing emotions as a people in a society. I think we don't even really know what emotions are. Like there are six basic emotions. And if you say, I feel like you don't love me, that's not an emotion. That's a thought. Yes. But so then how does that make you feel? Oh that makes me feel sad. Okay, now that's an emotion. And so learning the emotions and actually a lot of times in our conversations we leave emotions out. And so we have to be intentional about saying how does that make you feel? I need to get to the feeling.

Rebecca Misek: 23:59

Yes.

Thomas: 24:00

And then what do you want? And then ultimately what actions are you gonna take? And we fold the actions under. We're not here to Talk about what we're going to do, because men are problem solvers give me the problem. Yes. And it's no. You need to understand. You talked about the meaning, right? What is going on in the heart? How can we make sure we're truly connected and that we understand what we both want? And when we believe wants are the secret sauce to relationships, because when you can figure out what you both want, nine times out of 10, you both want the same thing. You're just maybe expressing them differently. Or you're not talking about them at all, so you don't know what the other person wants. And when you get that out in the open, you realize,

Rebecca Misek: 24:42

wow,

Thomas: 24:44

we want the same thing.

Rebecca Misek: 24:45

After three hours of having, Oh,

Thomas: 24:47

okay we can get back in the boat and row together. Now we can start talking about how we're going to achieve the ones. But until we get to the wants, what

Dan Misek: 24:54

are we really pursuing? There's another piece to bring into this when we're having these types of conversations is. We feel these really big things, and the problem feels really big in the moment. And the question I like to bring to the table on this is, what is our focus? What is the desired outcome? In the midst of that problem showing up, the fact is, what gets our focus will get our mindset, and will get our emotions, it gets all of it.. Instead focus on the solution, and seeing it already done. That now you have something you're moving towards together, you have partnership in it to get there together. Now, that is difficult when the emotions are high. Okay, let's be real about that. And if you're one who is still trying to sort through all those big things that you're feeling,, it's a very big deal. But we bring that to the light. So that we can really get to what what needs to be focused on and the focus it, and I think you brought this up earlier was connection. If our focus is connection, our end goal is that we're going to solve this thing together. I don't know what it is yet. That I know that we will solve this together. We have open loops right now that are not solved, but I know that we're doing them together. And that gives me a security in my heart to know that not only does she have my back, God's got my back, and I don't even need to know what the solution is yet. I have confidence that we will make it through. I have confidence that we're on the same page.

Trisha: 26:42

That's really good. Yeah. Just breaking that feeling of fear, breaking off fear of our lives and having the peace of God to know that no matter what we're going through in this situation, we can, overcome it. I like what you said also just about how you brought to the table that you have dealt with anger. Maybe that's your, the thing that's you know, the thing that's Kept you sometimes in conversations is your trigger. And I think for me, I can identify with that just from my past. With my dad, he was full of rage. Just explosive. And so I brought that into my marriage, learned rage, and I just thought it was this is what I learned. I just thought it was normal. This is what happens, right? This is normal, but you don't, it wasn't normal, but you I heard someone give a testimony about how they got delivered from anger. And I realized, Oh, that's a thing that can actually happen. You can actually be delivered from anger. And from that, it opened up the ability in me to be open to that and to realize I can be delivered from this. This doesn't have to be a normal thing. I don't have to react this way. So Rebecca and Dan tell us you've been married a year and a half. And to friends known each other for over 10 years. Yeah. Tell us just a little bit about that. Oh, what? How we met? Yeah.

Rebecca Misek: 27:53

That was really cool. He was the first that the Lord told us to plant a church in Freeport, Illinois. And he was, their family was literally the first people that we met. And it was cool. I was on Facebook just talking about Freeport. It was cool. That, the reason why it was so neat was that I had never actually heard of Freeport. The Lord just told, go plant a church in Freeport, and I'm like, where's Freeport? And so I'm like, take me to Freeport. It was so cool because the Lord just downloaded so much data to me the first time I went there. And then I was on Facebook talking about what I knew, and the answer back was, how do you know all this stuff? Let's get together. We got together at Chili's, and the rest is this history. We just, Did the church thing together for the whole time. It was so amazing. Like the connection that happened because of this, like alignment and in purpose and alignment and what do we want to see happen in the kingdom of God? And how do we get, people really set free and healthy, whole, vibrantly living. There is such agreement even between the two families at that time. It was just such a precious. Yeah, and so he became our worship leader in the church and I was on the worship team. And cause we were a small church plant, so the senior leader does everything. And so it was really fun partnering together and working together all of those years and

Dan Misek: 29:19

yeah. And it was incredible from my side too, that our family at the time was moving and shifting and things were starting to come to light about. Really, what is God doing? What is he saying? And it's like this awareness of Holy Spirit and let's find a church to to partner with. And I specifically, the Lord had called me to raise up women and to see women raised up in leadership. And here, Rebecca was coming in as the senior leader of this new church being planted, and it was seeing that opportunity. How can I stand behind and how can I support this move and then really see God and see his heart? To manifest in the region the way that, that it's intended to be, and is to watch this culture of this church as it grew up, was really something beautiful, something to be modeled where it wasn't just casual relationships out of this. It was deep covenant relationships that were built as a part of this church plan. So that is really a part of this history. Of having a really solid foundation of friendship, partnership, covenant. And little did we have any idea that things would turn the direction that they did.

Rebecca Misek: 30:32

Yeah, it was, it's such a wild adventure when we look past it and you're really healed from trauma when you can look back and you're grateful to God. That you were able to walk through it. But. Our worlds were shaken up about two years separate from each other. And it was just interesting to see how God just brought things together and really created this amazing journey. It's just an amazing journey that we walked through of some really amazing times and some of the most devastating times and just learning how to walk through all of that being unshakable in our own identity. Being able to be truly yourself despite your circumstances. Now that's a real testimony that comes from some of the pain and the trauma and the things that, that, that kind of transpired between us.

Thomas: 31:21

The fact that you're doing the work that's necessary to improve yourself and also improve your union. Yeah. I'm not gonna, we're gonna come to the your coaching business in a minute. But just staying right here, we're sitting on this table, and I'm just like, wow, we're all putting in the work. Yes. But we're doing it from a place of rest, I believe. Yes. That's a huge deal. Not striving, but just allowing him to change us and mold us, and being willing to let him be the potter and we are the clay. And it's just beautiful. It's just beautiful. I think about Trisha's anger and How she overcame that there's so many things that I'm we could keep going. Talking about the amazing things God's done in our lives But Rebecca, do you both share the Arrow's Edge coaching or do you run the business?

Rebecca Misek: 32:15

I'm the founder CEO. He, I believe, just has a massive feature in the business, but right now he provides for our family. Praise God, like he really brings it. His role has been so phenomenal though, because he listened to hundreds of my sermons and knows how to speak in my voice. And so when clients go through our coaching framework, I'm just blessed to say that it's his writing. I write the video lessons and the written lesson is different from the video lesson. I bring my whole self into it. He brought his whole self into it. And so he is a coauthor of the coaching framework that has just been so anointed by God. I have the most amazing team on the planet and I say that as somebody who's been on church boards and You know walk through a lot of different team environments and raise up a team running a Bible school all this kind of this Is it by far the best team I've ever had and the reason why is I had an encounter with the Lord and he was like, Rebecca, I am the CEO of Arrows Edge Coaching. I'm like, And that removed all the pressure for me. Now I just get to go in the office with Jesus, look over his shoulder, say, what do you want me to do? But we're this amazing team of coaches and leaders that have all come together with this mission to see people absolutely unshakable in their lives. Now this is Christians who want to influence the world around them, Christians who want to leave a legacy. Christians who want to make a difference in the world, we want to see you be completely unshakable. We love to walk people through transitional, we've got church leaders that, you They're having trouble working with their senior leader, that's really fun because I was a senior leader and a church leader, right? We have families that are like husband or wife and they're, they don't know if they should get divorced or stay together. We have people that maybe just got out of school and they're like, who am I after school? There's, it's almost any Christian who really wants to be unshakable and master their life. Man, you gotta have a trail guide to get you there, and that's what we do. We have a team that is skilled. All of us are certified leadership coaches. All of us are trained in a inner healing modality, which means going after those inner wounds. And what does that look like to get wholeness? And all of us have a different thing that we bring to the table that's uniquely ours. So we just have a blast loving people and seeing them calling out their full potential.

Thomas: 34:42

And if folks want to get in touch and find out more, get in contact with you.

Rebecca Misek: 34:46

Absolutely. Go to our website getarrowsedge. com. Or you could email me, Rebecca@getarrowsedge. com. Thank

Thomas: 34:54

you very much.

Trisha: 34:55

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