Thomas: 0:00

I'm telling you listeners that one of the strongest forces in an intimate relationship is to know that you're both in the boat and you're rowing in the same direction.

Trisha: 0:13

What is it that our partner wants for themself? Then we can help them make it happen. We can, as you said, champion them and demonstrate a deep care for their needs and interests. Seeds for your marriage.

Thomas: 0:27

Hello, and welcome to Conversations with Trisha and Thomas. We are Trisha and Thomas Walker, relationship coaches and communication experts. We help couples improve their communication, resolve conflict, and achieve God's design for an amazing marriage. And today we are going to talk about enjoying the journey of a lifetime.

Trisha: 0:53

Absolutely. Let's enjoy the journey. And how do we do that? I would say, firstly, it's really learning what it is that we really, really want, what is the goal here? The goal is, what is it that we want? And once we can get aligned on what we want, we can begin to enjoy the journey together. Like, how to align on those wants and enjoy the journey together.

Thomas: 1:19

Yeah, and I, I also think that it has to do with I don't know. For me, there's also the elements of mindset and when we purpose things in our heart and, you know, life can be very intense and a lot can come our way. Daily challenges get thrown our way. It can be stressful and exhausting. Chaos can sometimes feel overwhelming and never ending, right? There's always something new. I remember when I grew up, my mom used to always say, if it ain't one thing, it's another, you know, like life's just always constantly coming at you with challenges and frustrations, disappointments, and setbacks, and if we don't, if we're not careful, we can let it overwhelm us and we can end up in a situation where life is doing us. Instead of us doing life.

Trisha: 2:10

Yeah.

Thomas: 2:11

And you know, just thinking more about what we've learned over the years, that challenges are always going to be there.

Trisha: 2:17

Yeah, I like what you said about doing us versus life doing us, you know, exactly how you said that, but the picture I actually got was just, Waves in the ocean and Are the waves like throwing you all over the place or you surfing the waves? Are you on top of the wave and surfing it?

Thomas: 2:40

That's good. That's a good that's a good picture Yeah, yeah, because one you're coming up gasping for air and oh my goodness and the other one, you know You're able to look across and look out and see what's coming and you're able to breathe the oxygen let's argue arguably much more calmly. I hope But just remember, you know, enjoying the journey to me is a little bit about fun. It's a lot about fun and, and embracing everything that comes because all things work together for good for those who love the Lord and are called according to his purpose. And so to have that mindset, that posture in our heart is fun isn't always about buying things. It's not always about taking gifts or trips or spending money. Fun can just be hanging out at home. It could just be taking a nice walk in the cool of the evening. Or just something that you enjoy doing with your spouse. And enjoying this lifelong commitment that we've made to each other. And, again, I can't think of a better word than to being intentional about it.

Trisha: 3:51

Yeah, here's some questions that we recommend that you can ask. Yourself and your spouse. One is remember when. Talk about a time in your relationship where you had fun. Where were you and what were you doing? What made it such a fun time? Like begin to talk about that. And it might bring up some fond memories and just encourage you to maybe do some of those same things again, or, you know, maybe it's time for another, another trip here, or maybe it's time to just spend some more time together like that.

Thomas: 4:27

Yeah. And even thinking about what's fun, right? Think about something you want to do with your spouse. That would be fun for you. And I think that's something that we do. In our marriages, sometimes you'll, you'll go golfing with me and you don't necessarily like golfing, but it's about being together. It's about just riding along. You'll bring a book, take an occasional picture of me, you know, when I'm golfing pretty terribly usually, but it's just us out enjoying. An afternoon together.

Trisha: 4:56

Yeah. You said, I don't necessarily like golfing. I don't like golfing. I'm really there. I was

Thomas: 5:02

really trying to, you know,

Trisha: 5:05

I, you know, one thing I do enjoy is just driving the golf cart, just drive you around.

Thomas: 5:10

Yeah. See, I have a personal chauffeur.

Trisha: 5:11

Yeah.

Thomas: 5:15

So some of the areas that the, the whole umbrella of this around enjoying the journey, I think can be wrapped in the idea of wants and desires.

Trisha: 5:28

Yeah.

Thomas: 5:28

Because let's be real. We all have wants. We all have expectations. We all have desires. Things that we want to do. That we might want to accomplish. Things we want to go explore. The way we're going to relate to each other. Right? The kind of conversations we're going to have. The kind of house we might have. Kids we're going to have. And that they're going to listen to us all the time. Yeah. You know, so there's all these wants and they're always there and to deny them can also, you know, we don't believe in denying wants we believe in being aware of what our desires are, taking them to the Lord, making sure that they're aligned with what he wants for us and then sharing and communicating them with each other so that we can be each other's best champion.

Trisha: 6:21

Yeah. I like that word champion. Amen. Amen. Yeah, and to be one another's champion, what does it really require? It requires caring for yourself enough to know that your wants and desires aligned with the Lord are valid, and even caring for your partner as well to see and encourage and champion them in their wants and desires as well.

Thomas: 6:49

Yeah, and you know, one word we typically stay away from is the idea of sacrifice and compromise, and we typically, you know, we talk a lot about collaborative marriage and the ability to find agreement and alignment that we're championing each other's wants and needs and also those that we have for us, for our relationship. And so to say you said something so important, which is. You know, the desires that we have in our hearts have been given to us from a good, good father. And so we have, like you said, it's valid. These are valid things, aspirations that we are either born with or that we learn and develop over time. And let's not suppress those, right? Because hope deferred. Makes the heart grow sick and so to know that we're in pursuit and that we also have someone that's pursuing with us and right beside us I think is a real important part of a Great and and long happy and enjoying a lifetime together.

Trisha: 8:06

Yeah, so I matter

Thomas: 8:07

I I do matter

Trisha: 8:09

and you matter I matter.

Thomas: 8:13

I, I matter. Yes, you matter and I matter. Yes, we both matter.

Trisha: 8:20

It's important that we care for our spouse. It's equally important that we care for ourself. And it's difficult to actually care for yourself or care for your spouse until you care for yourself. So learn to love yourself. Receive love from the Lord. Receive love from your spouse. It allows you to freely give love as Christ loves you. Amen.

Thomas: 8:47

Yeah, and if there's lack, if there's any feeling of lack or voids in our own self view of one, of how we see ourselves, it's going to be hard to take the spotlight off of us and place it on the other person. So our relationship, our identity in Christ is so critical to know that all of our wants and needs are, are cared for. And he is the ultimate provider. It's out of that place that I'm able to know that my needs are going to be met so I can focus on your wants. Right. What do you want?

Trisha: 9:29

Yeah. Well, when we master our self care, we begin to learn to want for our partner what they want for themselves.

Thomas: 9:39

Oh, so we move from a place of maybe selfishness to selflessness? Right.

Trisha: 9:43

Right. So what is it that our partner wants for themself? Then we can help them make it happen. We can, as you said, champion them and demonstrate a deep care for their needs and interests. Yeah, absolutely. So what are some questions you can ask yourself and your partner? To row in the same direction.

Thomas: 10:08

Yeah, you know, sometimes it's what, what are the ways that I care for myself? They can be very simple and practical things, right? Like, I get up in the morning, I take a shower, I brush my teeth. I, you know, wash and I work out and now I'm, I just hired a new trainer who is doing exercises with me in the pool to help my hips cause they, they tend to get tight and that's how I'm caring for myself. And so all of these are ways that I care for myself and then there's things that I do to show that I care for you. And, and likewise,

Trisha: 10:46

yeah. And then ask God to show you any areas you have not cared for yourself or your spouse. So these three questions, like you can do them on your own, but it's really powerful when you do them together and you actually talk about it because you begin to explore areas that you do things for one another, that it shows, like, this is what I'm doing for you, that is showing you that I care for you, and for them, they might actually take it for granted, like not even realize it, it's just second nature.

Thomas: 11:17

And it's making that connection and, and. You know, I have one example from our relationship when you make coffee in the morning, one of your love languages is acts of service. And so for you, it's not just the making of the coffee. It's you're serving me with a nicely fresh cup of drip every morning. And I didn't realize that early in our relationship. I just thought it was another cup of coffee. But when we started talking in this way and getting to, Hey, how are you showing me that you care for me? And you highlighted that as an example. And then I was able to connect it with the fact that your love language is acts of service. Now I understand. Wow. When she is making me coffee in the morning, she's showing me that she loves me and that she cares for me. I just value it so much more.

Trisha: 12:10

Right. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Just. Enlightening that awareness really helps.

Thomas: 12:18

Yeah. Mm hmm. And not to take things for granted like you said, right, which is, oh, it's just a cup of coffee. No, no, no. Trisha made me a cup of coffee in the morning and she's doing it because she loves me. Like that's huge.

Trisha: 12:30

Right, right. Absolutely. So if I don't make you a cup of coffee, then you might think, okay, what's going on here? Is she upset? I need

Thomas: 12:35

coffee every morning. What's wrong?

Trisha: 12:40

No, I don't do that. I don't, I do not, not, not make him coffee out of spite.

Thomas: 12:46

Well and that's actually another good, a really good point you're hitting on, which is when we're caring for each other. We're doing it out of our love for the other person. We're not doing it with the expectation. Like it's a one for one. Like I cared for you. Now you show me that you care for me.

Trisha: 13:07

Like we're not.

Thomas: 13:08

Yeah, we're not keeping score.

Trisha: 13:09

Yeah. Yeah. Right, absolutely, yeah. Well, I'd like to go back to also what you said that we stay away from compromise and sacrifice. Yes. I think sacrifice, there are sacrifices that we do make, especially in marriage, right?, there's times when we do have to make sacrifice. I think sometimes, though, it's ensuring that it's We both are under the, under the impression that one person is making a sacrifice for the long-term gain, but it's not always one person making the sacrifice and the other one isn't sacrificing somewhere else. Like, but like, it's, it's really communicating and talking about, okay, well this is the want that we have, this is where we're going, what we're going after. And so. For the long term gain of getting, of doing this or achieving that in our family, then I'm going to sacrifice this for the next year.

Thomas: 14:01

Yeah, I also think just to build on that because sacrifice can sometimes be one that it's a great there's a gray area around sacrifice right like compromise is pretty clear. I believe but sacrifices more nuanced, and it's also. It's conscious. It's choice. And so for the person who is deciding to make the sacrifice, they're doing it with a full awareness and an understanding. And I believe the partner that their spouse also is understanding and appreciating what they're, what they're willing to do. And it's not a, well, I'm going to sacrifice this, but if, or, For you, but only if you like, cause now we're negotiating. And so it's also the way I like to say it is like, okay, I want a two door convertible, okay. Fast car. However, our marriage, we're in a place where that's not a practical vehicle. So I'm willing to sacrifice that desire because I recognize and we've talked about the fact that we actually need a larger vehicle to transport our kids and other things that we need to do on a day to day basis. So you're not telling me that I need to give up my dream of having a convertible. You're allowing me to come to the realization that there is a greater want, there's a greater need that. that supersedes my desire for a convertible, but I'm sacrificing that knowing that at some point in the future, maybe we'll talk about it again, but I'm making the choice. You're not telling me this is what I need to do.

Trisha: 15:49

Right. Yeah.

Thomas: 15:50

Big, big difference.

Trisha: 15:51

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Thomas: 15:55

So where are we going now? So we talked about caring for self and partner. So important as part of, you know, wants and enjoying the journey, vision, purpose and goals. Like, let's hit on this too, because I think these are areas that really matter when it comes to enjoying the journey, because let's face it, we all come into our relationships and our marriages with the perfect picture in our head of what it's going to be like.

Trisha: 16:19

Right. Absolutely. Habakkuk

Thomas: 16:25

2. 2, which this, you know, I'm big on vision, right? I think it's so important and it really is rooted, in and out of the word, right? Write down the revelation and make a plane on tablets so that a herald may run with it. Having a vision for your marriage gives purpose and it gives direction. And without vision, life happens to us. And according to the scripture, we perish. God has a plan for your marriage and gives you power to accomplish it. He has placed those plans in the desires of your heart, so writing down the plans and purposes God has for you is important so that you do not lose sight of them and ensures your actions are aligned with the goal and the ultimate vision for your marriage. It is important to have a vision in the various aspects of our lives as well. When we think about relationships with each other, with our family and our kids. Finances, our community, our work, and our career, taking care of our bodies. Having a vision for as many aspects of your individual lives and your lives as a couple is important, and it's great to break it down, both into long term as well as short term vision and goals.

Trisha: 17:47

Yeah, absolutely. Some questions to ask yourself and your partner about your vision, even before you get married, but even while you're still married, you know, we're constantly growing, we're constantly changing, and we're maturing, and maybe the vision that we had 10 years ago for our family is not the same vision that we have today. Maybe it's grown, maybe it's evolved, and so being able to discuss that helps both people to bring awareness of what they actually are seeing and getting aligned on that. And as you said, writing them down once they've agreed on them. So, some questions here you can ask one another. What are the desires God has placed in our hearts for our life and our marriage? Are there any areas where our actions have not aligned with the vision God has given? Us, for ourselves individually, for our marriage or our family.

Thomas: 18:52

Yeah, I just think that's so key. And this is, this is practical advice. You know, we strive to always give our listeners things that are actionable, that they can do and implement like right away, you don't have to wait, you don't have to go do a seven day course. You can have this conversation now. And start exploring together. Maybe it's rekindling, maybe it's losing sight of the vision. It was so crystal clear, but life happened and maybe it, you know, things got cloudy. Maybe it's actually discovery and figuring it out and saying, you know what, we're married and, and we know we're committed to each other. What does God want for our marriage?

Trisha: 19:33

Yeah, that's really good. That's really powerful.

Thomas: 19:40

That vision gets translated into purpose and goals.

Trisha: 19:43

Absolutely.

Thomas: 19:43

You know, because I don't know that you walk directly into a vision. You've got to break it down. Because usually visions are more enduring and they're longer term.

Trisha: 19:55

Yeah.

Thomas: 19:55

And so therefore we need to work back plan

Trisha: 19:58

to

Thomas: 19:58

say, okay, well, where are we now? And how do we take steps? And what are the indicators that will tell us that we are getting closer to achieving the vision? Right, and that's where goals really come in. I don't know, do you have any, anything you want to share there, some relationship keys?

Trisha: 20:15

Well, everything that you are able to accomplish is by him, through him, and for him. The way we achieve our vision is, like you said, by establishing those goals. And then they do become important milestones, progressing toward the ultimate objective. By ensuring that our, the goals that you have Or, or maybe creating, are inspired by and committed to God. You're allowing him to lead you in the direction to accomplish what you set out to achieve. It's important that you both set aside time to establish and align on a clear set of goals. They can be financial, spiritual, physical, emotional, relational, professional, and they can be for you individually, for your relationship, or even for your family. But be intentional and set aside time at the beginning of each year to reflect, review, and renew your focus. And have regular check ins with your spouse to monitor your progress and course correct if needed.

Thomas: 21:27

Yeah, so good. You know, there's practical questions that, that you can have also and write down. Like, what are your individual goals? Like, just praying, meditating, sometimes soaking. You know, and just allowing Holy Spirit to just reveal those things to us and search the deeper places of God's heart for our life. And then write down goals that we have together for our marriage and our children and our family. And then each person does it individually and then come together. And what's beautiful about this, and I think we've experienced this numerous times, is because we're already one, in a lot of cases, our goals are already aligned before we even knew it. But it's a matter of bringing it out into the light, speaking it into existence, right? And then making sure that we both have that clarity to then be in pursuit. And like you said, being intentional.

Trisha: 22:31

Yeah, yeah. I think in The year 2000, when our oldest daughter was probably one. I think this maybe was the first time that we actually established goals at the beginning of the year.

Thomas: 22:47

Yeah, honey, that was a long time ago. I

Trisha: 22:49

know, but we've been doing it pretty much every year. That's

Thomas: 22:51

true.

Trisha: 22:52

Since then.

Thomas: 22:53

24 years.

Trisha: 22:54

And it's amazing to see, to go back on previous years and see the goals that you're, that you wrote down and to realize, wow, like we actually accomplished a lot of those.

Thomas: 23:08

And you know, what's so critical about that is that there's two things. Number one, we've been talking about wants and when we do these joint goals, we are getting aligned on our wants. Yeah. Yeah.

Trisha: 23:22

Yeah. Yeah.

Thomas: 23:24

I just really feel the presence of the Holy Spirit. That's powerful. That's powerful. When the goals are aligned, you're aligned on your wants, and they can be as big as a 15 year plan to retire, and as small as where are we going to go on vacation in November. But it's important. It's a proven, proven method to be aligned and, and on the same page on everything. And even know where we're not on the same page, and we're both confident and assured that we can be okay with that. Like, we don't always want the same things, but I do want you to have the things that you want.

Trisha: 24:09

Absolutely. Yeah.

Thomas: 24:11

And I, the best way I can show that is to communicate it, but then also let my actions reinforce my words. So what am I doing to help Trisha achieve her goals? Right? Absolutely. Absolutely. And vice versa. And I think that practically that's where the rubber meets the road is. It's not about the words. It's really about the actions and the follow through.

Trisha: 24:35

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And well, it's so powerful to just to write them down and put them up somewhere. I mean, I've even done. I've even done like a vision board. One year I did it, it was the beginning of COVID and some friends and I had a vision board party and I wrote down my vision for the year and I had all, we had all these different we were cutting out pictures from different magazines and different stickers and things and I had a vision for the year and it was incredible to see. I think within six months what some things that seemed like it was going to take years actually were accomplished in six months. Just by like, Being intentional and partnering with God, declaring some things, you know, putting this vision on a board and then posting it in my office, it's just, it's just very powerful.

Thomas: 25:25

Yeah, yeah, super powerful. And the reason why this also matters is, what wants, inside of us is when we want something, we begin to expect, let's give an example. I wanted you to stop by the cleaners on the way home and pick up my clothes for me because I was really busy. I was in meetings and, and that's what I wanted, right? You came home and you didn't have my clothes. And now I'm frustrated. Honey, where are my clothes? And you're just like, well, I didn't know that you even had clothes in the cleaners. So where I'm going with this is, I had a want that led to an expectation. The expectation was you would bring my clothes home, but I didn't communicate my want to you and now you're frustrated So the criticality of our wants is we have to communicate them with each other

Trisha: 26:25

Yeah,

Thomas: 26:26

you see what I mean? Because whenever they're not communicated sometimes an expectation can still be set in our brain and then it leads to surprise delight disappointment frustration shock Oh, you did that thing, and that's not helping me with my want. And so this is where self awareness becomes important, praying with our Father to reveal the desires of our heart, become critical, and then having conversations to sit down and talk about it and share with each other so that we know that we're really working towards the same things.

Trisha: 27:00

Yeah. So good. Proverbs 16. 3, Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and He will establish your plans.

Thomas: 27:12

Wow, that sounds like a promise we can hold on to.

Trisha: 27:14

Yeah.

Thomas: 27:15

So, you know, there's a few other things that we want to build on to that. Just the ability to collaborate and align and move forward in a peaceful way. Again, wants are the secret sauce of marriage.

Trisha: 27:30

Yeah, you called it moving in the same boat.

Thomas: 27:34

Yeah, moving, rowing in the same direction.

Trisha: 27:36

Yeah, rowing in the same direction. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah.

Thomas: 27:39

So just a few tips that we'll run through very briefly. One is my cleaners example Expressing your wants to your partner so critical because if I don't know what you want, How can I help you?

Trisha: 27:55

Right?

Thomas: 27:56

How can I champion you?

Trisha: 27:58

And I think this is so critical just for women to know, cause sometimes they should, sometimes women say, well, he just should know me. Well, I know what ladies, a lot of men, they're, they're just, they need to be told, they need to be told what you want cause they don't know.

Thomas: 28:12

It's true. So remember my early days in golfing and I would say, honey, you know, I want to go golfing. And you say, just go. And I would say, okay, I'd get out to the golf course. Ring, ring. When are you going to be home? Wait, wait, I just told, I told you I was going golfing. It's, it's four to five hours. Well, you know, we got to do this, this, this, this, this, and that. So, and now you're not happy because I'm golfing and I'm not able to actually enjoy the golf because you're frustrated that I'm not home and not doing other things that you had on your mind. So then I basically came to you and I said, look, I'm okay with golfing or not golfing, but I need you to tell me if you're not okay with it, then just tell me that, but don't tell me you're okay with it and then not be okay with it.

Trisha: 29:03

Right.

Thomas: 29:04

Because it's confusing and it leads to frustration.

Trisha: 29:06

Yeah.

Thomas: 29:07

So, women, tell them.

Trisha: 29:12

All

Thomas: 29:15

right, what's the second tip?

Trisha: 29:17

Well, just identifying what you want for your partner. Like, this is not what you want from them, but what do you want for them?

Thomas: 29:27

Hmm.

Trisha: 29:29

This should be something that you would want, that they would want for themselves. So caring enough for them to actually want something for them that they want for themselves. It helps them feel loved and valued.

Thomas: 29:43

So, I want you To take me out to dinner this evening. Is that a want for or a want from?

Trisha: 29:56

A want from. Unless you really want me to do that.

Thomas: 30:00

No, I want it for me.

Trisha: 30:01

Okay.

Thomas: 30:02

So that's what I want from you. So that's a distinction. Listeners is if I'm looking, I want to, I want you to give me a massage. Well, is that really going to like this? Tricia want them to give me a massage? Or is that something that I want for myself? Because it could be better stated to just say, honey, I would like a massage. From you if you'd be willing to give me one rather than make it seem like it's something that's a great idea for her

Trisha: 30:29

Right. Well, I mean and just pulling in the golf example I mean, I guess we can make take this home that way is by saying honey what I want for myself this weekend is To really be able to rest because I've been working non stop for about eight days straight you know, I've been overloaded and I just really need to rest. And so I would love, what I want for you is to be able to golf. I really do want you to be able to golf, but I also have some things that, that need to be done. And so how can we work this together where I can get my rest and you can get the golfing that you want. Okay.

Thomas: 31:10

Okay. So you just hit on a really, really important key, which is. Win win. How can your wants be met as well as my wants and it's not a competition. It's not a win lose. We're not fighting. We are literally collaborating trying to make sure that we both have a satisfying journey together.

Trisha: 31:42

Right.

Thomas: 31:43

Really good example.

Trisha: 31:46

Yeah, and the tip number three is if there are other people involved like your children or maybe it's a situation where Your family or, you know, parents are involved. Like, what is it that you want for them as well? So really being able to get aligned with your spouse on what it is you want for the group and the group as a whole really helps to bring more clarity into Into the situation and helps you get aligned and move towards actionable steps

Thomas: 32:19

Yeah, and the so these three tips about wants for yourself wants for your partner and now this is wants for others the next tip Needs to cover all three of those I think which is going to the Lord in prayer and Aligning wants so they're not selfish Ambitions or let's just say flesh driven desires And they're really rooted in him and in his Spirit and with his purpose and plans for, for us.

Trisha: 32:51

Absolutely. Yeah. Jeremiah 17, 9 through 10. The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately sick. Who can understand it? I, the Lord, search the heart and test the mind to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.

Thomas: 33:11

So the last tip, and then we'll, bring this one to a close. How's that sound?

Trisha: 33:16

Yeah.

Thomas: 33:16

The last tip is the sharing, you know, disclosing wants is really key. It doesn't do any good for me to pray and get clarity on what I want and then not communicate it to you.

Trisha: 33:27

Yeah.

Thomas: 33:28

And so sharing those with honor in an open and respectful way. With love and care and even helping the other person understand well, you know, sometimes you can want something and I may not understand why does that matter to you? So helping complete the picture of this matters to me, the, emotion that it will bring in my life is joy or, satisfaction or, something like that. And it matters to me because I have this desire or I heard the Lord speak to me in this way. So help complete the picture. By disclosing what this want, if you achieved it, would be doing for you in your life.

Trisha: 34:08

Right. Absolutely. Yeah.

Thomas: 34:12

So I know you're going to wind down with a closing thought there. So let me just wrap one more thing about the importance of wants. You know, wants are motivators. When we want something, we're typically willing to pursue it. So as we understand and champion each other's wants, And we integrate them with our own. So it's not just Thomas's wants it's Thomas and Trisha's wants. As I begin to help you achieve the desires of your heart, we are strengthening our relationship together.

Trisha: 34:48

Yeah, that's so powerful. That's really good. So listeners, I bless you. And I bless you to have the enjoyment of life because there is nothing better for a person under the sun than to eat and drink and be glad with one another and with the Lord.

Thomas: 35:08

Amen. God bless you all.

Trisha: 35:10

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